UA bombers, "protesters", and other indirect PvP.

[Ottomic]

Hi,

It's lately been brought to my attention that the Prism lockdown is being perpetrated by members taking shelter within Mobius to enact a "protest" over the BGS. They do have their own group, however they seem to be operating out of Mobius. That is not direct PvP in the strictest sense of the word however it is directly hindering fellow CMDR's progression and as such it could be considered a form of PvP.

My question is the following: What's Mobius' stance on such activities? Shouldn't these person's continued membership of the group be challenged if they essentially use a PvE group as base of operations for indirect PvP, if a link can be established between them and said activities?

I'm not asking for checking every member's activities, but if they continue on a well advertised agenda of breaking fellow player balls, I believe they have no business in a PvE group.

[turd ferguson]

I suppose the question is really this -

If a member of a group isn't doing anything that is strictly against the rules but is to the detriment of the group as a whole, should that group kick that member out?

In this particular case this member is doing exactly what the anti-PvE crowd is accusing of Mobius of being complicit in - using it to hide from the consequences of his actions, which affect a lot of players and the game a whole as he shuts down community goal systems and beginner stations.

We can't prevent him from engaging in this sort of thing, but do we want have a role in it? Are we ok with being hijacked for these "protesters'" cause?

I came to Mobius because I wanted to get away from exactly this sort of thing in Open - players who treat other players as just there for their own entertainment. This is not much different. Although I'm not being attacked individually, this action is essentially trolling the whole community. Yes, there are roleplay reasons toaffect the BGS, and that's what it's there for, but he has clearly stated that he's not doing this for roleplay reasons, he's doing this to protest a game mechanic he doesn't like and is trying to get attention by annoying people who don't really care about his cause and have nothing to do with it...much like another group who says they're killing players for their own good, to force the devs to make the game better.

[Roger Wilco Jr]

"Indirect PvP"?

Lol, why do I feel this is scripted?

He could just as easily do whatever he's doing in solo, so leave Mobius out of it.

Attacking the environment is not PvP.

PvE is to prevent players from being KILLED by other players - not inconvenienced.

I'm not saying FD hasn't screwed up a lot about many things...

[Ottomic]

He could just as easily do whatever he's doing in solo

Yes, but he's a part of Mobius.

A player being killed by another IS just an inconvenience after all, if we get down to it. And I'd hazard to say that inconveniencing the whole player base for days is worse than aggravating one player once.

And furthermore, considering both groups are at capacity, I don't think getting rid of self proclaimed dickholes like him would be on detriment of the group as a whole.

[*Al*]

Damn that Environment! I going to kick the living.....

[Roger Wilco Jr]

A player being killed by another IS just an inconvenience after all, if we get down to it.

HA HA HA - I'm sure most PvE players wouldn't feel the same.

And furthermore, considering both groups are at capacity, I don't think getting rid of self proclaimed dickholes like him would be on detriment of the group as a whole.

Well, no argument there. Mobius - no pricks allowed!

[evovi]

In mobius, PG x or solo it would still be an inconvenience, bombing with ua's is being used tactically to annoy in sothis, game mechanic implemented by fd - now sitting in a sidewinder taking advantage of speeding commanders leaving or docking a station would imo deserve attention of the highest degree... Again yeah, it's utilising a game mechanic fd have implemented, this is a recognised form of griefing that only has one purpose - and that is to destroy a player and cost him/her money, having a temporary lack of facilities is just an "inconvenience" next system along these are not the ua's you're looking for

[Lanceor]

@Ottomic, turd ferguson

Mobius rules are simply:

• Attacking a player directly - Not allowed.
• Attacking another player's objectives/goals - Allowed.

While it would be nice to have a rule against hindering other players via PvE, it wouldn't be workable - you can't influence any system or faction without "attacking somebody's objectives" somewhere.

It's also true that some people want to be nuisances, and they want to do it within Mobius. As long as they're only doing it via PvE, they are allowed to do so. (On a side note, nuisances usually can't follow rules and get themselves banned from Mobius pretty quickly.)

As for players being able to affect the BGS without repercussion in Mobius - it's yesterday's fake news. Destroying innocent players increases civil unrest and causes lockdowns - to the detriment of the system being "protected".

[Ottomic]

Okay then, I'll retract my complain. I feel like there should be a clear distinction between bothering a specific individual through the BGS and blocking an entire community event (especially if they're trying to soapbox off them), however, if these are the rules of Mobius I'll abide by them as a member. I really don't feel like sharing the same group as griefers twisting their actions into holier-than-thou "protests", but if there's nothing I can do as a member I'll stay as I feel Mobius represents more than the occasional shelter for someone like that guy.

Thanks for the clarification at any rate.

[Lanceor]

Okay then, I'll retract my complain. I feel like there should be a clear distinction between bothering a specific individual through the BGS and blocking an entire community event (especially if they're trying to soapbox off them), however, if these are the rules of Mobius I'll abide by them as a member. I really don't feel like sharing the same group as griefers twisting their actions into holier-than-thou "protests", but if there's nothing I can do as a member I'll stay as I feel Mobius represents more than the occasional shelter for someone like that guy.

Thanks for the clarification at any rate.

Your concern was quite valid, and I know how you feel - sometimes I wish the troublemakers would just disappear. At least Mobius greatly reduces the idiot problem even if it doesn't eliminate it completely.

One thing I do is every time I meet a Cmdr who is pleasant and well behaved, I add him/her to my friends list. Since the game tries to put friends in the same instance, the more friends in my list, the more "nice" people I get instanced with.