New Nvidia gfx incoming! (VR) Here we go! :)

[thebs]

GTX1080 reviewed:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nv ... iew,1.html

I like this article, because they look at some of the latest OpenGL titles, like the id Tech 6 engine in Doom, not just DirectX, which is closer to the Horizon's (Elite 2.x's) OpenGL v3 engine.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_review,16.html

And for those that don't have a lot of time, the single page two (2) here at Anand has a lot of benchmarks and info on its own.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10326/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-preview/2

Some other reviews, for completeness ...

http://www.techspot.com/review/1174-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080/

http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/17/11689352/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-hands-on-review

The 1080 Takeaways

So, what we're seeing is a common theme here. Against the GTX 1080 8GiB GDDR5'X' ...

GTX 980 Ti 6GiB is around 25% slower (GTX 1080 33% faster), at nearly all resolutions

GTX 980 4GiB is always 33% slower (GTX 1080 50% faster), often 40% slower (1080 66% faster), and at 4K it can be nearly half speed (1080 80% faster)

Which means ...

With most of today's titles, the traditional 6GiB GDDR5 in the GTX 980 Ti scales well up to 4K

The same is not true for the 4GiB in the GTX 980 (and 970), does not starting at 2.5K, and definitely not at 4K

The gap between the GTX 970 and 980 continues to be less than the "jump" to 980 Ti, then again another "jump" to 1080

So, this really brings us to these realities, putting VR aside (more in a moment) ...

The GTX 1080 is an outstanding upgrade from the GTX 980, and the 980 should be dropped from any consideration at all, period

The GTX 1080 has the price-performance to match (overclocked) or best (stock) a discounted GTX 980 Ti, while knocking off 50W power

If one already has a GTX 980 Ti, then one might want to wait on a newer model

Now ... Back to the Subject

Rift and Vive VR is not just ...

Framebuffer being around 2.5-3K, the 980 Ti handles that fine, but ...

Two points-of-origin -- to render for -- and not just a single point of higher resolution

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It's those GTX 980 Ti v. GTX 1080 benchmarks I want to see, and how the 1080 may handle it much better, not just +33%.

As I mentioned before ... the clocks are higher, along with the memory size, in the GTX 1080, and it uses additional compression, while reducing transistors in package and traces to memory. That brings complexity and costs down, which likely bodes well for yields on the new TSMC FET 16nm process, while leaving room for a "super-Pascal" in the next generation 1100 (just "11" nomenclature it seems?) series. I'm also thinking the compression might need to be tweaked because the GTX 1080 has 8GiB VRAM, and that's more room than the GTX 980 Ti and its only 6GiB.

So I expect performance bumps in the future with new drivers on the 1080 over just the coming months, including (and possibly especially) for VR. And, again, we still haven't seen the top Pascal in the 1080 (10?) series ... yet. I expect a super-card with more transistors and more memory width in the series as TSMC FET 16nm yields improve, before even the eventual 1100 (11?) series.

The 1070 Wildcard

The GTX 1070 is really the "wildcard" here, and probably the ultimate value, if one can wait, especially for the standard, non-Founders edition.

8GiB GDDR5 (non-'X'), plenty of framebuffer to do 4K, and more

Should easily match a stock (if not overclocked) GTX 980 Ti

Should consume 100W less than GTX 980 Ti, making even a heavily discounted 980 Ti a non-consideration

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The question will really be how those 1080 v. 1070 units will handle VR and its two-origins in rendering, as well as against the GTX 980 Ti. I'm still glad I bought my GTX 980 Ti, and won't be upgrading unless the 1080 totally roasts it in VR (like >50%). But the next time I upgrade, it might be to a 1070 instead, especially if someone makes a 170mm/6.7" Mini-ITX length version.

[thebs]

The Founder's Edition ($699), available from nVidia, sold out in 9 minutes. Most OEM models available for pre-order (ship weeks later), which are supposed to be $599 list (after the initial Founder's Edition availability), have been marked-up to the same, or more, $699+ during their pre-orders (using the moniker), at Amazon, NewEgg and others. We have truly reached the point of early access markup like high demand cars -- at the retail market, not just eBay any more.

Side Note: Seems there was a small dip to just over $686 at Amazon at one point.

This is now far worse than what happened with the 600 series when it first appeared, the last time there was a feature size, and corresponding power, shrink. We'll see when reality comes back, but I think this is how it's just going to be going forward. OEM models well beyond list, with alleged "special sauce." Glad I didn't wait, and got a $500 980 Ti, otherwise I might be waiting a long time.

http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080/full_history.php

[AndyB]

$699? I wish, the pre order price in the UK is £619, at the current exchange rate that means we pay $905

[Cmdr Kharma]

Yea saw that yesterday in an email from ebuyer......

I'm gonna wait a bit me thinks.....

I'm due a new build this year........But it'll be towards the end....

[GlobusDiablo]

...But it'll be towards the end....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdnaPAJgAQI

[Cmdr Kharma]

She cooks a shit breakfast.......

[GlobusDiablo]

She cooks a shit breakfast.......

I wouldn't know. I never stayed for breakfast...

What a lass.

[Cmdr Kharma]

Yep....

Many a Kleenex moment......

<------ That's the face.....

[GlobusDiablo]

Yep....

Many a Kleenex moment......

<------ That's the face.....

[thebs]

$699? I wish, the pre order price in the UK is £619, at the current exchange rate that means we pay $905

Sorry, yeah, I'm usually pretty good about putting "US" in front of "$", but I'm still not quite fully programmed (like I am with the "+1" country code). All I can say is that I'm better than most Americans on the Internet. Heck, too many still don't even bother to put their own, US area code on phone numbers, and assume I know what area code they are in.