New Nvidia gfx incoming! (VR) Here we go! :)

[thebs]

They are claiming 6.5 and 9 Teraflops, for the GTX 1070 and 1080, respectively. Even with those numbers, it's not 3x (actually under 2x for both, x70 to x70, x80 to x80). But then in their slides, it looks very different, with far less separation between the 970, 980 and Titan X in other diagrams. I guess we won't know until the benchmarks come out ... including non-VR v. VR, and what improvements were made, especially for the latter.

Power consumption and thermals should definitely be a major cut though, with the new 16nm FET process from the prior TSMC 28nm option.

[TorTorden]

Yeah I'm thinking since I already have a 980ti I should wait one more model cycle and perhaps build a brand new rig.

Apart of the gpu it's a fall 2014 build so wouldn't so it wouldn't be too extravagant to do build mid 2017.

[thebs]

Yeah I'm thinking since I already have a 980ti I should wait one more model cycle and perhaps build a brand new rig. Apart of the gpu it's a fall 2014 build so wouldn't so it wouldn't be too extravagant to do build mid 2017.

Well, Intel LGA-1151 (and DDR4, ignore the DDR3 info, it requires added glue) will not only be used for SkyLake (6xxx), but KabyLake (7xxx) as well. So the platform will be around several more years.

I'm still on Intel LGA-1150 Haswell (4xxx) with DDR3, and has had little interest in upgrading. I got my quad-4GHz i7-4790K for under US$300 in 2014, my quad-3.3GHz i5-4590K for barely US$200 in early 2015, and my ASRock Z97 Mini-ITX board for $70 while my ASrock H97 board for $50 used for the respective priors, in the same bundle. ASRock is the new Asus, right down to the former owning the latter's Pegatron ODM that fabricates their products.

BTW, the 980 Ti 6GiB just went US$475 ($500 - $25 MIR) at MicroCenter here in the US. Not one of the high-end eVGA models, but still ...
- http://www.microcenter.com/product/4581 ... 20_Cooling
I appears to be available via mail order, not just in-store. My closest is 8 hours away in Atlanta, which is why I love working in and around Atlanta, including picking up the H97+i5-4590K for $240 in early 2015 at MicroCenter.

I wouldn't buy a 980 Ti now, unless I absolutely needed one, or the 1080 yields prove poor and common availability slips until the fall (at least not without paying a serious premium). With how much they are holding back on the 1070 details, it wouldn't surprise me if the 1080 is getting fabrication priority and it will be awhile before the 1070 is common. We'll see.

[thebs]

BTW, here is an alleged "leaked" set of benchmarks ...
- http://www.mobipicker.com/nvidia-gtx-10 ... ks-leaked/

Looking just at 4K (almost 50% faster for GTX 1080 than 980 Ti, although the former was OC'd, not the latter), it obviously make sense given the bump to 10GiB GDDR5X in the GTX 1080 from 6GiB GDDR5 in the GTX 980 Ti, and even the 8GiB GDDR5 in the GTX 1070 (resolution requires more memory). I'm surprised no one has showed the Titan X 12GiB GDDR5 at 4K in comparison, although one can interpolate things.

In any non-VR case, this seems about right ...

'According to Nvidia’s official marketing material the GeForce GTX 1080 at stock will be roughly 20% faster than the GTX 980 Ti and the GTX 1070 will be slightly faster than reference GTX 980 Ti cards and on par with factory overclocked variants.'

Now, again, that's not VR performance.

Framebuffer for 4K >> VR > 2K, and it will be interesting to see where the "threshhold" is on performance and memory at the added buffer of VR, but the jump to 4K being way, way more than VR from 2K. The GP104 clock is way, way up in both the GTX 1070 and 1080, even though it has less units than the GTX 980 Ti.

So at this point, even putting VR aside, it's really worth waiting until the summer availability of the GTX 1070 8GiB GDDR5 than buying a GTX 980 Ti 6GiB GDDR5, on power and the reality that even OC versions will probably not be much more than US$400 in the worst case. Here in the US, if one cannot wait, try to get a 980 Ti for US $400-something. Paying over US$500 just isn't worth it at all, and even much over $450 is difficult to condone, unless the 1070 availability really slips until fall.

And if you want faster, of course, the GTX 1080. Nothing else will come close.

Oh, it is interesting that even beyond the feature size shrink to the 16nm FET, the reduced units means it's cheaper to make the equivalent 1000 series than the 900 series now (even if at the same feature size -- the advantage of higher clock largely due to the feature size shrink). That is, of course, assuming the yields are good. TSMC 28nm has been around quite awhile now, and they are exceedingly good at making the layers. But if they've gotten the yields up with 16nm FET, they'll want to get them out as fast as possible. Although it all depends on how much premium nVidia has to pay TSMC (the bane of nVidia being fabless), they should be cheaper to make, even with lower yields as there will be far more dies per set of wafers.

[TorTorden]

Yeah I'm thinking since I already have a 980ti I should wait one more model cycle and perhaps build a brand new rig. Apart of the gpu it's a fall 2014 build so wouldn't so it wouldn't be too extravagant to do build mid 2017.

Well, Intel LGA-1151 (and DDR4, ignore the DDR3 info, it requires added glue) will not only be used for SkyLake (6xxx), but KabyLake (7xxx) as well. So the platform will be around several more years...

Well that's one.
I am too on 1150 socket DDR3.

[thebs]

Yeah I'm thinking since I already have a 980ti I should wait one more model cycle and perhaps build a brand new rig. Apart of the gpu it's a fall 2014 build so wouldn't so it wouldn't be too extravagant to do build mid 2017.

Well, Intel LGA-1151 (and DDR4, ignore the DDR3 info, it requires added glue) will not only be used for SkyLake (6xxx), but KabyLake (7xxx) as well. So the platform will be around several more years...

Well that's one.
I am too on 1150 socket DDR3.

I've always just waited for deals.

The H67 and SandyBridge i5-2500K products when they were on-sale in 2010-2011 (have 2 boxes, 1 recycled as an archive/project server). Upgraded GeForce GTX 660 Ti cards in both in 2012.

The H97/Z97 and Haswell i5-4590K and i7-4790K products when I've caught bundle deals at MicroCenter (both still in use). One had a recycled GTX 660 Ti and the other a GTX 970. Now I have a spare GTX 970 while one has a GTX 970 and the other the new GTX 980 Ti.

I've long learned it's worth waiting, and having a backup, rather than a more expensive, cutting-edge option paid at full price. I'll wait for the 1070 or 1080 benchmarks, discounts and then make my move.

Heck, my "work" computer is an "off-lease" Dell Precision m4700 i7 notebook that I paid under-$500 for, and I have a backup m4600 i7 and another for my wife. Hard to beat the portable power in those, especially with 32GiB DDR3 and with a 512GB mSATA.

[Cmdr Chemtrail]

To Thebs, man I envy your collection of pc's and graphic card's.

Ok to the point Im still using my 2012 660ti, Its fine. It play's what i want to play, and was a good investment.
I play a lot of games and I cannot say ED is exactly cutting edge graphics or gpu intensive. Pretty yes. Try Skyim fully graphically modded and 100 other mods lol.

In your opinion how does ED play with your various cards and set ups?

[thebs]

To Thebs, man I envy your collection of pc's and graphic card's.
Ok to the point Im still using my 2012 660ti, Its fine. It play's what i want to play, and was a good investment. I play a lot of games and I cannot say ED is exactly cutting edge graphics or gpu intensive. Pretty yes. Try Skyim fully graphically modded and 100 other mods lol.
In your opinion how does ED play with your various cards and set ups?

The 660 Ti 2GiB is almost as good as a 770. I was able to run Elite 1.x at a consistent of 40-50fps at 2K (1920x1080). I did even try 2.5K (2560x1440) but it wasn't as smooth, often dropping under 30fps.

Elite 2.x really kills the 660 Ti, so the 970 4GiB is much better, and is virtually always 60fps at 2K.
The 980 Ti 6GiB I did, officially benched and it was >>100fps (as high as 184fps) at 2K in Horizons.
Just hard to beat that type of performance in the 980 Ti.

BTW, these are all with all graphics settings all-the-way max.

[Cmdr Chemtrail]

Cheers Bud, very helpful. I 'm thinking I will not bother repacing bits and just go for the full rebuild in the future.
I think ill try to keep my Corsair graphite 600T mesh case but I've been also looking at those mini ITX cases. They actually look rather smart.

[GlobusDiablo]

GTX1080 reviewed:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nv ... iew,1.html