Exioce what next?

[Tifu]

Just checked our homebase, the Azrael system. Our influence is up and there is a war going on between the #2 & #3 Imperial minor factions :

[Zioxo]

Hm, I'm currently using Sabine Installation as the only safe heaven inside Exioce, and you've guessed it, that's Exioce Democrats territory.

Same, Plus it also includes the Black Market, which helps out also.

[Tifu]

Hm, I'm currently using Sabine Installation as the only safe heaven inside Exioce, and you've guessed it, that's Exioce Democrats territory.

Same, Plus it also includes the Black Market, which helps out also.

You guys know your own situation best. If you can weaken the ExDems & turn a profit at the same time then so much the better.

[Judson]

A daily record is much more reliable. For instance, Gameson's figures on the bug report are highly unusual. If both sides started at about 11% and Crimson finished at 8.8% (a fall of 2.2), OoM should have finished on 13.2 (a rise of 2.2).

Not when you consider the % movements of the other sub factions that were also at war.

Other factions' variations must also be recorded, but are not part of the calculation.

During a War or Civil war (and probably Elections) the two factions involved enter a closed state: they can only exchange influence points with each other.

Michael Brookes (3 Feb 15):
"Civil War – Triggered by changes in influence between competing minor factions, or when a single minor faction reaches a high enough influence level. Decreases standard of living and security while active. Creates conflict zones and only combat missions or actions provide any benefit to the minor faction.

"War – Triggered by and invading minor faction reaching a high enough influence level. Decreases standard of living, wealth and security for the system while active. Influence changes only apply to the involved parties and are only applied from combat missions or actions."

(Source: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthrea ... ost1691696)

This is why the figures in the bug report are so interesting, but need to be seen with a context.

And who owns the planetary bases? I don't have Horizons so can't find out for myself.

As this quote from Michael is nearly a year old, it may have been amended. The BGS has perhaps changed much in that time. Whatever has occurred at Exiorce it certainly didn't follow those rules!

[Walter]

Not when you consider the % movements of the other sub factions that were also at war.

Other factions' variations must also be recorded, but are not part of the calculation.

During a War or Civil war (and probably Elections) the two factions involved enter a closed state: they can only exchange influence points with each other.

Michael Brookes (3 Feb 15):
"Civil War – Triggered by changes in influence between competing minor factions, or when a single minor faction reaches a high enough influence level. Decreases standard of living and security while active. Creates conflict zones and only combat missions or actions provide any benefit to the minor faction.

"War – Triggered by and invading minor faction reaching a high enough influence level. Decreases standard of living, wealth and security for the system while active. Influence changes only apply to the involved parties and are only applied from combat missions or actions."

(Source: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthrea ... ost1691696)

This is why the figures in the bug report are so interesting, but need to be seen with a context.

And who owns the planetary bases? I don't have Horizons so can't find out for myself.

As this quote from Michael is nearly a year old, it may have been amended. The BGS has perhaps changed much in that time. Whatever has occurred at Exiorce it certainly didn't follow those rules!

1 Always possible, but unlikely. Since before initial launch there have been groups studying the BGS and since the introduction of player-based factions the number has increased so there is a lot of focus on processes and a lot of experimentation. As far as I can tell, no-one has reported a change in this area - but there's a lot of stuff out there; acres of spreadsheets have been devoted factional influence changes round the galaxy.

2 I'm afraid the figures you have collated are probably not sufficient to convince FD or the BGS community.

3 It's also possible that QA-Kae misread the bug report and given a response that's entirely the opposite of what it should be.

4 One of the points in the bug report referred to the ownership of the planetary bases. Who owns these bases? Change of ownership of these bases an aspect that is currently under debate.

[Judson]

Walter, I bow to your superior knowledge but I know in my own mind that what went down in Exioce, for whatever reason, was not how it was meant to happen. I am currently testing the BGS in another small simpler system and as of yet the BGS appears to be working correctly. The burning question in my mind is, has Exioce been manually "fixed" due to Devs paranoia about such a massive player group!

[Tifu]

Walter, I bow to your superior knowledge but I know in my own mind that what went down in Exioce, for whatever reason, was not how it was meant to happen. I am currently testing the BGS in another small simpler system and as of yet the BGS appears to be working correctly. The burning question in my mind is, has Exioce been manually "fixed" due to Devs paranoia about such a massive player group!

I'd be amazed and ecstatic if the Order had 50 Commanders regularly participating. Judging from the recent war I'd say we number about 25 if even that.

Has anyone considered consulting the Dukes of Mikkun about our case? They seem to have run into every conceivable BGS bug - and surmounted them. They're well on their way to becoming the 11th power , assuming that the DP faction doesn't suddenly dissolve into a minor faction that is.

[Walter]

Walter, I bow to your superior knowledge but I know in my own mind that what went down in Exioce, for whatever reason, was not how it was meant to happen. I am currently testing the BGS in another small simpler system and as of yet the BGS appears to be working correctly. The burning question in my mind is, has Exioce been manually "fixed" due to Devs paranoia about such a massive player group!

I don't necessarily have superior knowledge - I'm just in the process of collating what's out there.

As you're now joining the experimental brigade, I expect you are recording daily influence changes, noting State changes, limiting yourself to a single behaviour for each tick, keeping track of visitor numbers and types and so on so that any 'Yes, but . . .' criticism can be averted. I'm sure you've recognised this is just an application of the scientific method.

Not sure about the size of the active player group; 'Massive' may not quite be the term. The Mercs of Mikunn have a hundred or so players who contribute to their statistics and background knowledge, but they watch a very large number of systems and have had some time to develop their methodologies.

[Judson]

It's not the first time I have flipped a system. Guess we need to wait for a response to the question of what happened at Exioce. Until then I'll go about my business to see what if anything has changed! TTFN

[H.M. Serenus]

HI Walter,
yes, the figures are useless and not it's not really about convincing FD, but rather understand how the stuff works. I believe that QA-Kae did misread my post but if he didn't it's fine with me too. All I want is to have some kind of clue of what and how the rules are.