Request for Solo Traders in Open

[Falcon_D]

Hello,

Recently I've been visiting the main forums (yes I know I shouldn't but I like to check in with the Rifters and check on beta news), and noticed quite a few recent threads by a well known Open group pleading, cajoling, incentivising, solo Traders to come to Open.
My question to them was that is Open dying that they had to come out with all this to get people to play in Open.

Me. I don't believe Open is dead or anywhere close to it. With groups like the AA, Diamond Frogs, the Russian group whose name I keep forgetting, also the German group. Open should be alive and kicking. So what is this sudden reaching out to Solo and group Traders. My only conclusion is that Traders in these PvP groups must be too well protected and this pirate groups idea of fun is going after these "soft targets".

Together with this, there has also been a lot of talk about how to "make" people play in Open by making Open the only play mode of choice if a Commander wants to achieve anything. Now this I find utterly ridiculous as why should choosing one play style be rewarded over choosing another. No one put a gun to your head and made you choose your playstyle. No one forced you to pick this game in the first place.

Well just venting. Did it a couple of times on the main forum. But just couldn't be bothered to continue.

Have fun, fly safe. o7

[damienvaldes]

These guys should have never left EVE. But you're right, they want more n00bs to gank. Tough noogies for them.

[Schmobius]

I've never understood why these dregs who should be perma-banned from the game are constantly coddled by FDev... Please tell me this "plea" of theirs is being ignored except to point out how stupid it is.

[AndyB]

in other news: pick pockets are asking people to keep their wallet in their back pocket, car thieves are asking people to leave their keys in the ignition and burglars are requesting that people leave their front door open when they go out for the day.

just one more thing to add to the 'Ain't never gonna happen' list

[Phillipus]

I don't play in Open mode that much not because it's harder, but simply because I don't want to have to engage in any way, shape, or form with low-life either in a game or in real life. After all it is called Elite: Dangerous.

[Commander Marque]

Only ever play in open, gives it an edge

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[Roger Wilco Jr]

LOL, I just talked myself out of playing in open and I've already started having second (third, fourth, fifth ...) thoughts about it. This is because I've had so many legitimate combat deaths in this beta that I figured getting griefed on rare occasions would be almost nothing by comparison. But I guess I really don't want to play with people that want to ruin my game for their fun.

I keep hearing about some real punishment coming to the game, but it's always later and I bet it isn't really going to keep the griefers away. I guess I'll just have to wait and see.

[Darr Valen]

These guys should have never left EVE. But you're right, they want more n00bs to gank. Tough noogies for them.

Don't blame the players entirely. The devs did a frak all horrible job at selling their product. I had no idea for years that the game was even open to private servers, or that you could do ANYTHING besides freakin' combat. Hardcore tradewhores like me would have been an alpha backer otherwise. Frontier dropped the ball majorly.. Saying something like "Play your way" or some such or even pushing more than the freakin' combat would have sold more copies.. If I hadn't heard of ElitePVE, I'd likely have never bought the game to start with.

[Falcon_D]

When my brother 1st pointed out this game to me during Kickstarter, I took one look at it and went "pff... Another EVE, PvP game", then went back waiting for SC to finish. It was after the game was launched and I read up on Elite again, after getting bored with SC alpha, that I found out about solo mode. That's when I decided to buy the game. First flight as a Pilots Federation commander was in Open. Thought if I was going to get ganked might as well be at the beginning. Nothing happened. Switched to solo for awhile, then went into Open a couple of more times just for a bit. Then someone told me about Mobius.
And because of Mobius, I ended up shelling out more money for a non-sub based game than I ever did before. And didn't regret a single cent.

Now you got a bunch of people wanting their playstyle to be the be all to end all. Or at least that's what they claim (and initially I fell for it) but on closer inspection you get a feeling that something is amiss under all those pretty words.
Then you have another bunch who feel as if their playstyle entitles them to more rewards because they have a "harder life" (seriously WTF?). Which to be honest I realise I don't really give a feck about as long as it does not affect my game play. Reward them with larger payouts, but don't change the cost of equipment or ships, no problem.
But give them more influence on the BGS, problems, as I feel playing the BGS is more a PvE thing. Same goes for PP unless PP has some PvP only type thing (e.g. Capture and hold the flag CZs).

Oh well. Back to looking for Raxxal.

Have fun, fly safe. o7

[Loriath]

An Analogy: TL/DR below...

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Years ago, a few buddies and I found this great little bar. It was a kind of Hole in the Wall. The place was not stylish, but the staff was excellent, the owner was there every night, and much to our surprise, they had a small kitchen with a chef that could actually cook! The place was clean, and it was not super packed like most places in the area. We sort of adopted it. It was wonderful. In our little group of motorcycle riders, we valued service and friendliness of the staff above all else. Yes, they were a little more expensive, but well worth it to us.

As time went by, we enjoyed many a night there. We invited a few other people and they liked it so much that the stuck around. For months, this was our place. We loved it. Then we went on a trip, just blasting around the countryside, camping and riding. When we returned, we went to our little bar to celebrate. It was packed. We wondered what the hell happened. We spoke to the owner that was quite excited. Seems the local paper did a small feature on this little bar that appeared the day after we left. Now the place was a madhouse. There were people wall to wall and it was super loud. We decided to give it some time to die down since everything is a novelty when its "New".

We waited a couple of weeks and went back. What we discovered was shocking. There was a whole new staff, and the owner looked ragged. After talking to him, it seems that his staff could not handle the crowds that the article brought in. The police had to be called almost every night because of the drunks fighting, there was a small mutiny in the kitchen and the Chef left as did almost all the staff. The owner scrambled to get new staff, and there was only one waitress that we recognized. It was her last night as she had given her notice. The place was still packed, but it was a group that were loud, rowdy, and rude for the most part. The owner was trying to keep up, but even though his sales were up, the turnover in staff, damages caused by the "New" crowds were causing him to loose money now.

When we first found the place, he was employing 4 servers, A Chef and a Helper, and a full time bartender. Now he had 8 servers, no chef, and 4 people in the Kitchen that had no clue. He was at his wits end and you could see it in his face. He apologized for what the place had become, and we knew he was sincere, but it just wasn't inviting any more. There were college kids fighting outside, the bathrooms were a bizarre scene of drunken people throwing up all over the place, and the bar itself was now a complete filthy mess.

After that last night, we decided that we would not be returning. He closed a few weeks later. I ran into him about a month after he closed. He looked better, but it had taken its toll on him. When we met, he was happy and looked healthy. Now he looked frail and tired. He told me that he could not keep staff, and that he lost so much money in such a short period of time, he was cutting into his life's savings to keep the place afloat. I told him I felt bad for us not returning. He looked at me and smiled. "Oh don't worry, I don't blame you or anyone else for not coming back. Even I had to leave."

TL/DR: If someone has a bad experience in a place, even after a while of having a great experience, the Bad lingers a lot longer than the good, especially when there are other options.