Walter wrote:And you didn't address my point: if we are all for one etc, what happens if we adopt opposing propositions within the Mobius bubble? As far as I can see (and I might be wrong; like the majority of players - see:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169171 - I'm not particularly interested in PP), the politics of the minor factions takes little part in Power struggles. Would you and I -
could you and I - play our usual roles from opposite sides flipping/defending systems under the modified Mobius aegis?
Within a single political organisation (PP is defined as politics in violent action) schism eventually leads to split. There is a fundamental difference between a loose association with a few underlying
aims and a political party with common
objectives. Do we all become Independents/Empire-builders/Federalists to achieve commonality?
There will be inevitable changes; I suppose I'm really asking what will need to change most, Mobius or Powerplay.
Think I'll have to start on the blue tablets.
Well since I have no inclination to participate in Power Play I cannot speak at much more than a superficial level.
I really don't see how things will change inside the group while playing in Mobius Group.
The premise of the group is that towards members, there is a non-aggression agreement. This is the basis for the group, and the main rule (with subtle nuances in areas such as CZ's being an exception, but again with specific rules) is that we cannot be aggressive/attack another player. Within the Power Play, it is possible that another member may be in an area to which they can appear as an adversary to you. For example, an Empire pledged member in Federation space undermining. Under those circumstances, we cannot attack them even if the rules/repercussions in game allow for it inside the group.
This may lead to issues as many outside of Mobius may believe that we are supposed to be a neutral group even though that is not part of what the group represents. Since I am unsure if I was playing in open if we would have a tag that shows we are part of Mobius, but I assume if it did, and we attacked another player, again in open, there would be some in the open play community that don't understand the group rules and would start calling us out regarding the aggression.
If we have this "Tag" then everything we do would be under scrutiny. So your premise that the "Group" may have to change is valid to me. However, if you take the "Open Play" out of it, then nothing in the group has to change. We play under the same rules as we always have. If the "Tag" persists outside of the group (Open Play) then I foresee trouble on the horizon, even if it is just a Public Relations Issue.
I don't always play in Group. Sometimes I am in Open, or in Solo. I don't want to find myself a Target in Open just because I am tagged as Mobius because of some issue that a player has had with another "Tagged" Mobius member. One of my arguments against CODE and other groups is that anyone can claim to be of that group, and we have no way to verify. If this does give us the ability to verify that, then Mobius members playing in Open may depreciate our group with their conduct, even though by the group Rules, they have done nothing wrong.
Right now as it stands, I can interdict someone in open and claim in chat "I am from Mobius group and now you die" and kill them, and technically there is nothing that can be done. Replace Mobius with any other group and its the same, whether I am or am Not a member. With a "Tag" to prove I am from whatever group, if I interdict and kill someone, I am within the rules as long as it happens in open. If the player complains, Mobius and the admins now have a dilemma to deal with. 1) "No rules against it" = Bad Image 2) Kick me out to protect image = Breaking their own rules.
Flipping systems is part of the game. In group and open and solo. But interactions in game with other commanders can only be controlled in group. In the past we had someone join the group and start attacking members in group play. They were removed, as that was a rule violation. but what happens when the image (whether valid or not) of Mobius takes a hit because we have a "Tag" and play in open?
There are going to be issues. We could have a HUGE influx of people that have malicious intent, and if they do not break the rules in group, but carry our tag in open play, they can cause lots of issues. Imagine if a large group such as EIC or CODE decide to come in just to get the tag and play in open where the Groups rules don't apply...
But I see no problems with what I do inside the group.
