Elite Dangerous - Horizons

[TorTorden]

I'm still hopeful that the multiple 'saves' discussed in the original beta happen. Not holding my breath though

I would easily pay 20£ for an extra CMDR slot

Hmm. One reason for not getting the second account on a life time pass is actually my nick.
This is my main nick, heck I deal with and know more people over the internet as TorTorden (even though hardly any can pronounce it) than I ever have with my real name in real life (which is even harder for English speakers to pronounce)

Maybe I could petition FD to move my current save over to a new account with lifetime pass and I could start a new save on my current one...

[CMDR Harvenheit]

While the life time pass is looking juicy, it is about as much as I pay rent for my small flat monthly and I just cant give away that amount of money at once. SImply cant.

The pricing did leave a bad taste in my mouth, especially since if we look at how they price the core game and Horizon, it would seem they value the expansion at some 15€. With the discount they offer to loyal customers (for undisclosed amount of time, of course... order us without knowing or pay more later when you might make more informed choice) ... with the discount the price for Horizon closes to the core game.

That being said I bought the game about month ago and it makes me feel like I am paying twice for one thing, plus some 15€ for the expansion.
I would not mind to pay some 25-30€ for standalone expansion... but they won't do that. I even asked if I could like... give my current account to my sibling or friend and then order horizons for myself... nope cant do that either.

I get it that the core game is there with the expansion to lure in new people, and that new people wont have access to the game at all if they buy the Horizon preorder... still rubs me the wrong way...

Then again I was lucky and bought the core game when it was on sale (about 4€ cheaper than it is priced now heh.) and if I knew they plan to release the expansion this soon I would have waited.

I think I will buy it after all... but using the Russian Rubles, it will make it cheaper for me... it is kinda underhanded from me but... even then it will be about quarter of the flat rent and my salary is not that great. So either that or I will wait for another sale.

[pargyrak]

Although I bought the lifetime expansion already I think the price is a but on the expensive side too. But... as I am not playing any other game (Star Citizen is still underway) I am glad to help the development of my childhood passtime. Just don't tell my wife

[CMDR Metsudo]

Just thought I'd add some more info I came over...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=172526

Skimming through this, of note are 2 points.
1) Buyers of E:D Horizons will get access to E:D content (they'd have to for it to even work). In essence this means people who already own E:D will be paying for the same content twice. A new player gets everything for £40, while an old user has to pay up to £80 (-£10 if they pre-order) There needs to be a cheaper option for "legacy" owners, and a £10 discount for pre-ordering just doesn't cut it. This is especially true with point 2...

2) E:D Horizons will only have landings on planets with no atmosphere. Atmospheric planets will apparently be in a separate later season, meaning you will have to pay again for them if you want to land/fly on all planets. Pricing for this new season will likely be the same as this one, meaning a huge cost of £80 just to land on planets (a feature many have said should be in the base game) This is a whooping total of £120 for people who bought E:D at release. That's bound to leave people who are disappointed with the current lack of content salty.

Anyway, I stand by what I said before, the pricing is bad. Considering Frontier are basically saying that Horizons and the base game are worth £40 together, there should be an option for people who have already bought the base game to buy Horizons by itself at a much lower price. Either way I refuse to give them £40 for Horizons, as the base game is still lacking the depth of content and polish of AAA games that cost the same. Consider other games like The Witcher 3, GTA 5 etc, they were released at £40-£50, came with tonnes of content, variety and polish. Why is it that their developers can make a game that is content rich at a £40 price point, yet frontier need £80 to £120 to hopefully get the same result? "Fixing" a game that lacks variety and content by charging the player base an extra £40+ is, to be blunt, a dick move.

[AndyB]

Why is it that their developers can make a game that is content rich at a £40 price point, yet frontier need £80 to £120 to hopefully get the same result? "Fixing" a game that lacks variety and content by charging the player base an extra £40+ is, to be blunt, a dick move.

the simple answer is that games like GTA 5 sell a whole lot more copies than ED has or ever will, at last count GTA 5 Has Sold Nearly 52m Copies, compare that to the half a million or so copies of ED that have been sold and its easy to see why FD need to make more money per unit sold than Rockstar do.

you may as well ask how it is that i can get a bus to town for £1.60 when a taxi costs me £5, the comparison would be as valid as the one you have just given.

[Loriath]

Just thought I'd add some more info I came over...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=172526

Skimming through this, of note are 2 points.
1) Buyers of E:D Horizons will get access to E:D content (they'd have to for it to even work). In essence this means people who already own E:D will be paying for the same content twice. A new player gets everything for £40, while an old user has to pay up to £80 (-£10 if they pre-order) There needs to be a cheaper option for "legacy" owners, and a £10 discount for pre-ordering just doesn't cut it. This is especially true with point 2...

2) E:D Horizons will only have landings on planets with no atmosphere. Atmospheric planets will apparently be in a separate later season, meaning you will have to pay again for them if you want to land/fly on all planets. Pricing for this new season will likely be the same as this one, meaning a huge cost of £80 just to land on planets (a feature many have said should be in the base game) This is a whooping total of £120 for people who bought E:D at release. That's bound to leave people who are disappointed with the current lack of content salty.
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You are wrong on this point. If you see this post from Michael Brooks, he clearly states if you only purchase Horizons, you will NOT be able to play Elite until Horizons is released. They have to buy the Same ED game we have bought to play right now.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthrea ... ost2641611

As far as the price, I will again point out a few games like COD come every year for AAA prices, and every new GTA game charges full, and these games don't continue from the previous version.

World of Warcraft charge for every expansion and are continuations of the game but have monthly Subs.

I don't see what the issue is about the price since they are giving you a loyalty discount. Show me another game that does that? Keep the price separate. Diehard COD or GTA players would KILL for a lifetime option. But those companies don't / won't offer this because they can make more money charging full price, no pass, no discounts.

Content is a completely different issue, and people have to keep them separate. FD is not the first company to move ahead with a game when the players are complaining about content. I agree we have issues in the game, issues that need to be addressed, but if Frontier does not show they are moving ahead then financial backing will drop off. They need to balance fixes and expansions. And I agree they are not doing the best at this right now.

Frontier has to grow the userbase at the same time as working at fixing and adding features content. And as much as we armchair mange it, we are NOT FD. They do what they have set out to do, and the game will either survive or die.

[Xebeth]

My view on the pricing is quite simple, look at how many hours you have played and compare it to the price you paid, for me it works out at less than 7p per hour, that strikes me a bloody good value for money.

Also, look at other games, FIFA for example costs >£50 a pop for what is basically the same game each time, WoW costs >£40 plus £10 per month, and after a month you've hit the level cap and are running the same content over and over again for months on end.

Further, FD have said over and over again in the last week that planetary landing is only one feature in the new season, Eddie (forgotten his second name) the producer said on the Twitch stream that he thought that an expansion that comes later in the Horizons season was cooler than planetary landing.

Also, both Eddie and Sandro gave big hints about carrying small crafts in big ships like the Anaconda and the new Federation Gun Ship, we'll get looting and crafting, multi-sectioned missions, battles with 'Skimmers' on planets, and improvements to the core game.

Finally, people need to realise that FD are a business, they have staff to pay and costs to cover, after the initial purchase, they don't charge us to continue playing so selling expansions is their only regular revenue stream (paint jobs are optional and therefore not reliable). Even then if you don't purchase the expansion you can still play the original game forever.

I really don't understand what people's issue is, but then maybe I'm just from a generation that expects to pay people for their work.

[smartroad]

Further, FD have said over and over again in the last week that planetary landing is only one feature in the new season, Eddie (forgotten his second name) the producer said on the Twitch stream that he thought that an expansion that comes later in the Horizons season was cooler than planetary landing.

Sacrilege! There is nothing, NOTHING, cooler then planetary landings!!


And BUGGYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

[CMDR Metsudo]

"You are wrong on this point. If you see this post from Michael Brooks, he clearly states if you only purchase Horizons, you will NOT be able to play Elite until Horizons is released. They have to buy the Same ED game we have bought to play right now."

Ah, my bad, I did forget to mention that they would have to wait for horizons to be released. Still, it's not a stand alone, and the store doesn't mention anything about having to have E:D to play it so as far as I'm concerned they will get access to both when horizons is released, and given that horizons is only stated as of now to be rocky planets with no atmosphere (far from even a decent percentage of the total types of planets) that's a lot to ask for just landing on one type of planet.

"As far as the price, I will again point out a few games like COD come every year for AAA prices, and every new GTA game charges full, and these games don't continue from the previous version."

That wasn't my point, what I was trying (and obviously failing) to explain is that these other developers are apparently able to make games that pretty much everyone would consider to be chocked full of content, and only have to charge once. Even indies often have enough content to warrant the price point. Frontier apparently can't finish getting the current content of the base game done to a satisfactory level without charging you twice, maybe even more times. If the base game wasn't short on content, and the price of the expansion was at a sensible point I'd not even have brought this up (being asked to prepay for content that no details have been released about is dumb, you have no way of telling whether or not the content is even some that you'd want, or if the total content is worth the price).

"World of Warcraft charge for every expansion and are continuations of the game but have monthly Subs."

I've already said that this is a rip off. Just because another developer also overcharges for their content doesn't mean Frontier are off the hook.

"Content is a completely different issue, and people have to keep them separate. FD is not the first company to move ahead with a game when the players are complaining about content. I agree we have issues in the game, issues that need to be addressed, but if Frontier does not show they are moving ahead then financial backing will drop off. They need to balance fixes and expansions. And I agree they are not doing the best at this right now."

If people feel that they are being short changed, they likely won't continue to buy products. Prove you provide fair and decent content and you will make money, fail and you likely won't.
Yes we aren't Frontier, and they will choose to do what they want. However, lots of people aren't happy with its choices, and and unhappy customers won't stay customers for long.

Anyway, most here seem willing to pay much more to Frontier, and that's their choice. They obviously don't have issues with disposable income and are willing to throw more money at Frontier for the promise of having a game that will finally be richer with content. I don't agree that it should cost this much but I won't bring it up again, as apparently paying £80+ for games is a-okay with most people now. I guess I'm just one of those crazy people who expect fair amounts of content for their purchase.

[TorTorden]

It's simple.
Either you think it's worth paying for or not.
If you think it isn't don't buy it.

Any more crying about it only serves to make you look like spoiled children demanding a new toy cause you are bored/disappointed with the old one.

Obviously you whiners are in the minority albeit a loud one. Might I suggest putting your time I to something a little more productive than whine about having to pay for a game.
Granted I get there are income differences. Yes I too think the lifetime pass is a little pricy so I didn't get it. Easy solution.

40 euro is about what I would pay for three beers in a local pub, I don't do that I choose rather to give that to FD.

There's nothing more to say in this discussion I'm out.