Roger Wilco Jr wrote:thebs wrote:Since Windows 10 is still 3x lower than Windows 7 and is now just hitting the number of Windows 8 systems, I'm sure nVidia is more focused on Windows 7 improvements.
If you say so.
Well, I don't pull things out of my rear, despite some people (not you, just many people who don't know me in real life) assuming such from the get-go with all the stuff I claim to be first, or at least second, person to. And that's fine. It takes 6-12 months to get to know anyone, and that time to prove consistently it's not BS coming from them. I'm only 3 months in, at best, here.
Looks like as of 2016Q2, it's
about 18% Windows 10 to 45% Windows 7, so now about 2.5x, and no longer 15% to 47%, as it was in 2016Q1.
Roger Wilco Jr wrote:Windows 8 is so bad
I disagree. NT6.2 (8/2012) was really a decent improvement over NT6.1 (7/2008). That's what revisions are supposed to be, sans 2 things.
One, Microsoft trashing the existing Windows Server 2008 deployment and other tools with Windows Server 2012, where Microsoft "forces" corporations to "upgrade" their tools every release (part of the reason many are moving to Open System/Open Source solutions), on the workstation/desktop end ...
Two, Microsoft compounded the "Metro" interface over the already heavy, but at least improved over NT6.0 (Vista), "Aero" interface of NT6.1 (7/2008). If you ran something like
Classic Shell or
Start8, it was just fine. Microsoft stupid insistence being "one interface to rule everyone," is just a stupid idea -- that Apple, Linux, et al. all disagree, that the 60cm/23.5"+ LCD needs huge "tiles," normally designed for 15cm/6" phone, just like a phone "used to" require a tiny, 3mm-1/8" "Start Bar."
But those were really my big 2 complaints about Windows 8. The problems with Windows 10? Read on ...
Roger Wilco Jr wrote: I'm surprised every Windows 8 user hasn't "upgraded" to Windows 10
Windows 10 has many issues.
- Metro v2 is completely re-written, and even more bloated, largely because the outsourced contractors that wrote Metro [v1] are now gone
- Metro v2 still has major bugs, some were early show-stoppers like crashing with more than 511 entries, and other oversights (I've reported many)
- I highly recommend people use either "Classic Shell" or "Start10" until they fix them
- EXPLORER.EXE (everything you see) is at the mercy of any plug-in and driver crashes, from Computer to Network, and they are heavy and often
- The artificial "bump" to NT10 in INF/driver files, when it should be NT6.3, which is causing a lot of the EXPLORER.EXE crashes (personally verified)
- EXPLORER.EXE is still broken, after 22 years, which is why Enterprises use GUI programs that leverage **Tridge's X-Delta algorithm (aka Rsync)
- 100% automatic updates, no opting out, which means Windows can self-toast, unrecoverable, at any time
- Privacy is gone, by default, and some cannot be disabled ... so much so the French government just filed a lawsuit over violation of EU privacy laws
**Dr. Andrew Tridgell, PhD, Australian ...► Show Spoiler
... his doctoral thesis was on the X-Delta algorithm, rsync being the first implement, and also is the co-founder of the Samba Project -- which documents all the hidden interfaces and emulates Windows File and Print Services, MS-LDAP and other interfaces. If you ever read the code and documentation, you will understand how bad Windows Networking is, and why old versions of Windows always have issues with newer Windows Server releases.
About the only thing "good" about Windows 10 is that Microsoft is not going to release another Windows. They are going to sustain it until 2026 or so. They are allegedly going to do more than 1 Service Pack, which means it will be easier to install.
Roger Wilco Jr wrote:especially with the nagging.
Oh, it wasn't just "nagging." The "X" eventually became a "consent" (OK/Upgrade) and there are are now lawsuits. They were marking Updates "important," for people like me who disabled KB3035585, etc... and introduced others.
The second a woman won a $10K small claims in California -- she spent hundreds on PC tech fees, and lost all her data (expert testified exactly what happened) -- and Microsoft's own legal team advised them they'd lose any appeal, they immediately pushed out a patch that stopped the "X" from turning into a consent. That's what finally stopped it, as Microsoft realized they could quickly have a class action lawsuit on their hands, and the lawsuit exposed the various consumer laws they violated in California.
Considering Florida has even tougher consumer laws, and is also a large state (#3 by population), it quickly became obvious what they immediately should do. But class action lawsuits are still being formed at this time for past transgressions.
Roger Wilco Jr wrote:The Windows 7 number seems a little high too, but I do know many business can't move to Windows 10 w/o throwing away a lot of legacy software.
Windows 10 Enterprise is priced per user, per month ... no more "one time" pricing. It's throwing a lot of organizations for a loop right now.
Microsoft is trying to get to Red Hat's model of subscription pricing ...
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When you buy a Red Hat entitlement, you get all versions supported at that time, not a specific version.
This is because, in the Open Source world, Red Hat sustains software after the "Upstream" Open Source developers have moved on. The "real cost" is sustaining software for 13 years, like Red Hat does, when the "Upstream" moved away a year earlier. Red Hat feeds back changes to the Upstream too, as the guys sustaining the software often contributing to the Upstream. At the same time, Red Hat makes up -- at best -- only 10% of the greater Upstream, usually on a lot of "unsexy stuff," although a lot of the desktop too. Especially as Novell-SuSE (Attachmate) is now just a shadow of its former self, and used to help Red Hat develop -- between the two -- about 75%+ of the "FreeDesktop" (used beyond just GNU/Linux as well).
Corporations prefer paying for sustainment engineering, not "Upfront costs." That's why Microsoft is, starting with Windows 10 Enterprise, moving to the subscription model.
E.g.,
- Would you move into an apartment for 10 years, if you had to pay all 10 years upfront, and the landlord had a nasty habit of taking your money and letting things break? (Commercial),
- Some might go to a community apartment, help everyone else fix it, even pay for things, but what if it always became unfixable and you had to move every year? (Upstream Open Source)
- Wouldn't you wait to find a proven apartment, one that works, but others moved out because it wasn't shiny and new, and then pay your landlord to maintain it, but just as long as you lived there? (Sustained Open Source)
Microsoft wants to get to that last one, especially since they use a significant amount of unsustained Open Source in Windows and Microsoft solutions too (don't get me started). Unfortunately, they don't develop Windows itself in the Upstream, so they still have 10x the development costs.
It's getting pretty said that you have GNU/Linux maintainers on software for 10+ years, while Microsoft only has outsourced contractors on software for 1-2 years. That's why Metro v2 is chronic fail, and Windows 10 looks horrendous at 4K compared to even Linux, let alone Mac. Windows uses a completely different presentation system and graphics foundation, while Mac uses a similar approach as FreeDesktop (Linux), long story. Short story is where some of the guys who wrote Cairo came from (Apple).
NT6.1 (7/2008) products are supported until at least 2020 January. Right now a lot of the
NT6.3 NT10 (10/2016) "solutions" designed for NT6.2 (8/2012) are just broken for corporations.
